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Aug 26, 2009

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What a strange case, and thankfully a non-precedential one. It seems unlikely that the ultimate outcome will change on remand. The majority seems very concerned with the lack of unrebutted "expert" testimony". Meanwhile, the district court judge and Judge Mayer, capable of reading references themselves and seeing through the self-serving testimony, seem concerned with getting this lame case off their docket as quickly as possible.

Let's see what happens on remand to the district court - Mayer's dissent certainly sets up the possibility for JMOL for the defendants if the jury decides for Ortho.

Did I miss the part where the remarkable "synergistic effects discovered by Ortho" are described in detail? Seems odd that these effects wouldn't be highlighted.

A scintilla of synergy (1 + 1 = 2.1) is rarely enough to overcome a prima facie case of obviousness (old compositions plus teaching that compositions could be combined to advantageous effect). What are we talking here? Two or three-fold improvement over the added effects of each drug?

It seemed to me that the decision is completely procedural - to decide a summary judgment motion there must be no issue of material fact and all inferences must be decided in favor of the non-movant (here, Ortho).

So the majority sent it back because Teva didn't proffer an expert to rebut Ortho's.

And Mayer cut to the chase for the ultimate decision, which is probably correct on what was discussed in the opinion.

(Not sure "impassioned" isn't a better description than "eloquent", but Judge Mayer certainly got to the point.)

Yeah that's what I thought too kev. btw, been meaning to respond to your response the other day on your site, but I'm lazy.

Indeed, Flick teaches that its four-agent tablet was merely an example of a possible combination tablet, stating that example 23 "illustrates the composition" of a combination tablet "without, however, limiting the same thereto." Flick also teaches that ingredients can be varied as desired.

As I see it Ortho's reissue patent is hanging by a thread and a weak one at that. Also, now that all of the original claims are essentially "dead" Ortho faces a significant "intervening rights" issue even if the remaining reissued claims survive.

Flick alone doesn't convince me that this is hands-down obvious. Whenever I have a reference disclose multiple embodiments, all of which are different from my claim, but have the Examiner rely on a sentence like "these are merely examples" or "all these examples can be varied as desired" to meet the claim, I at least want a dam good reasoning from the Examiner why the reference would have been varied to meet my specific claim. The German refs seem to do that here by teaching synergy of claim elements, such that Flick + German references seems pretty much textbook obvious. I wonder why the expert testimony went unrebutted at trial?

Although I haven't read the trial, it the case for obviousness would appear to hinge on how "complicated and unpredictable" (per the expert testimony) the drug interactions were and whether there were any counterveiling results (e.g., by changing the ratio of the two remaining active ingredients, by removing one of the two active ingredients removed by the formulation). If there were not, it seems pretty obvious to me...

My recent short law review essay on Ultracet is in the online version of the Texas Law Review: http://www.texaslrev.com/seealso/volume-87/roin/death-from-the-public-domain.html

I wrote the essay in response to Ben Roin's article (in Texas Law Review) arguing that obviousness should not be a barrier to drug patenting, citing the Ultracet litigation.

"A scintilla of synergy (1 + 1 = 2.1) is rarely enough to overcome a prima facie case of obviousness"

I am not familiar with this test... it must have been pulled out of the same place where search teams found that lubricious thermometer...

And besides, who is Mayer to make such off-the-cuff determinations that removing a couple of elements == obviousness? If I were an appeals judge, I would not feel that it was part of my job to play scientist. I agree that a statement such as "these are mere examples" does not amount to a teaching or even a suggestion.

Mayer's dissent has many good points, but doesn't directly address the pertinent claim limitations; the ratios. The issue is not about combining Tramadol and Acet., the issue is the ratio at which they are combined. Not saying Mayer is wrong or right, just noting that at least in the excerpt posted, only the obviousness of ingredient choices is addressed, not their ratio.

FirstInFirstOut:

Mayer alleges that example 23 teaches the claimed ratio but in combination with other agents. In reality, by having 4 agents, the total ratios are not the same as they would be with only 2 agents.

I guess that is my point about the science of it. Even if example teaches the ratios as between eachother, but with 2 other agents, as a judge, you can't just arbitrarily remove 2 agents from the teaching and say "there you have it." That is classic hindsight reconstruction (or, in this case deconstruction) of the prior art teachings. There is nothing to say that the 2 agents would behave as taught in Ortho's specification with 2 additional agents.

Blimptroll attempts to find a nut: "Even if example teaches the ratios as between each other, but with 2 other agents, as a judge, you can't just arbitrarily remove 2 agents from the teaching and say "there you have it."

It wasn't "arbitrary". Nice try, though. Maybe you should stick to defending methods for determining who gets to use the toilet next.

"I am not familiar with this test..."

That's because it's not a test, moran.

"I wrote the essay in response to Ben Roin's article (in Texas Law Review) arguing that obviousness should not be a barrier to drug patenting, citing the Ultracet litigation"

I'm sorry to hear it. Points for being honest, I guess.

"I'm sorry to hear it. Points for being honest, I guess."

Uhm, Ben Roin is the one arguing that obviousness should not be a barrier to drug patenting.

The poster, Kevin Outterson, wrote an essaying disagreeing with Mr. Roin.

Your reading comprehension blows.

You've been working at the PTO too long, Mooney. Spending too much time conducting interviews with firms that hire former high-level PTO personnel to prosecute reexams. How's the dynamic during those interviews? I hear it's interesting, to say the least.

LOL

"Your reading comprehension blows."

No, it doesn't. The sentence wasn't clear.

"The poster, Kevin Outterson, wrote an essaying disagreeing with Mr. Roin."

I apologize to Mr. Outterson for adding to the confusion. My pity is properly directed at Mr. Roin.

"No, it doesn't. The sentence wasn't clear."

It wasn't clear to those with poor reading comprehension.

Too many interviews with former high-up PTO personnel has addled your brain.

Let us know when you're eligible to retire from the PTO, Mooney. We'll throw you a party.

"It wasn't "arbitrary". Nice try, though. Maybe you should stick to defending methods for determining who gets to use the toilet next."

If it wasn't arbitrary, what was it? I'll give you a clue - it WAS arbitrary.

Mayer simply said the 2 claimed agents were present in the same ratio along with other agents (which really means the 2 claimed agents were NOT present in the claimed ratio), arbitrarily ignoring the presence of the other agents.

"That's because it's not a test, moran."

QED, its just typical Mooney hyperbole and garbage.

You provided absolutely no substance Mooney, just empty and argumentative garbage.

You are truly a sleazebag.

"who gets to use the toilet next."

There you go again with the perverse interest in toilets...

I'd say we need a toilet admission system because so many people are lined up to puke their guts out after reading your constant flow of garbage.

Mayer simply said the 2 claimed agents were present in the same ratio along with other agents (which really means the 2 claimed agents were NOT present in the claimed ratio)"

Not if "ratio" means the ratio between the two claimed agents. Adding four tons of other stuff to a and b wouldn't change the ratio of a to b.

"arbitrarily ignoring the presence of the other agents."

Mayer described reasons to at least try removing the other two agents, and if "obvious to try" is the standard, then Mayer's at least on the right track. This case is probably strictly about the standard for summary judgment rather than about any weighing of the evidence.


This is not about this case in particular, but about the difficulty in getting summary judgments of invalidity in patent suits in general.
Notwithstanding the fact that the KSR decision itself came to the Supreme Court on a summary judgment of 103 obviousness, the CAFC's Chief Judge was quoted at the time as saying that summary judgment would be difficult to sustain with the usual disputed facts on that issue.
That is what happened here. This panel majority simply held that:
"The district court improperly resolved disputed questions of fact in reaching this conclusion. What a reference discloses is a question of fact. Para-Ordnance Mfg., Inc. v. SGS Imps. Int’l, Inc., 73 F.3d 1085, 1088 (Fed. Cir. 1995). The parties dispute ... The parties also dispute..."
However, there WERE some disputed facts in KSR, and if one more judge had joined the dissent here, this S.J. would have been sustained also. Thus, it seems somewhat optional, and certainly requires more work for CAFC judges, to seriously consider in each such case if the allegedly disputed facts are sufficiently immaterial to be able to sustain the S.J.? [Rather than to so easily reverse such S.J.'s to force a multi-million dollar patent trial on ALL possible issues.] What patent suit party is not able to hire an expert willing to testify to unobviousness or obviousness? Should that be nearly as relevant as the teaching contents of the prior art references themselves, which CAFC judges are supposed to have technical assistance to read and understand, unless there is some ambiguity in dispute? The ultimate question of obviousness may also be difficult, but it is a legal issue.

Superb commenting by Mr. Morgan.

Before being tarred and feathered for Mr. Mooney having unexpectedly liked something I said, let me make it clear that if a patent owner has presented comparative data evidence for the unexpected results for a particular specificly claimed ratio of prior known combinable ingredients, in the spec or by affidavit, that would of course be a material fact issue that does require discovery and trial court fact-finding. [It might be nice if that could be bifurcated and tried first in some cases, but that is very unlikely.]

>This is not about this case in particular, but
>about the difficulty in getting summary
>judgments of invalidity in patent suits in
>general...

So the moral of the story is - no SJ for defendants sued on laughably obvious patents? Full employment for patent litigators!

One problem is that showing ANY KIND "unexpected results" is almost a certainty because ALL of the properties of a new compounds cannot be accurately predicted. Any new compound will have an array of "unexpected results".

I have not seen a great deal of discussion about WHAT KIND of "unexpected results" are required to show non-obviousness. In my mind, the unexpected results should provide some sort of "unexpected utility", requiring that the unpredicted property yields an additional benefit along the same axis asserted for the invention's utility.

Here, if the ratio affords the patient some advantage *in pain reduction* beyond what one would expect by extrapolating the existing data for the components, then it is likely not obvious.

As Mr. Mooney points out, its not exactly clear what the fantastic results are in this case. I would imagine that if such results really existed then the patentee would have emphasized them more rather than jumping up and down about numerical boundaries that supposedly confine these results.

"I have not seen a great deal of discussion about WHAT KIND of "unexpected results" are required to show non-obviousness. In my mind, the unexpected results should provide some sort of "unexpected utility", requiring that the unpredicted property yields an additional benefit along the same axis asserted for the invention's utility."

Absolutely, because it is nearly always possible to come up with some "unexpected result" that nobody cared about before ("It tastes better to elderly dogs than the slightly lower ratio!"). In a field like this one, the unexpected result of the ratio must be profound to overcome the prima facie case.

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