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Well, Um no, it is really hard to have a substantive conversation with you because you do not discuss topics, you engage in ad hominems galore. I simple choose not to talk to you for this reason.
Um no, you talking to me?
“Um, what’s your point?”
That should be obvious Ned.
Reread my post and read the last line 1,000 times or until it sinks in.
Then read it every time you post with deceptive intent in order to bolster your philosophical view.
If you are going to quote Kant, then at least be true to the basics of Kant and STOP THE LIES.
“because the programming necessary to do so changes the computer from a generic device to a specific purpose machine by law – precisly because Alappat has not been overturned. Note that Dyk in the Cyborsource case seeks to limit (not overturn) the Alappat result.”
Accord in In re Aoyama:
“Moreover, when the disclosed structure is a computer programmed to carry out an algorithm, ‘the disclosed structure is not the general purpose computer, but rather the special purpose computer programmed to perform the disclosed algorithm.’ WMS Gaming, 184 F.3d at 1349 (citing In re Alappat, 33 F.3d 1526, 1545 (Fed. Cir. 1994)(en banc)).” Maj. Op. at 6.
STOP THE LIES.
Um, what's your point? Are you asking that we not question the logic of the court opinions by taking their holdings to their logical extremes?
Sent from iPhone
From the ironically corrupted thread link to patentlyo.com
Ned Heller admonished me regarding Kant:
“ Um no, I think you are wrong about Malcolm and 6.
Regarding what you might think ridiculous, I do not. What I’m trying to do is drill down below the surface of the law to understand its principles by taking things to their logical extreme. This is a way of testing propositions and logic. I suggest you read up on Immanuel Kant and his so-called ‘categorical imperative.’ ”
Perhaps Ned should do his own reading on Kant and see what the gentleman had to say about deception:
Kant asserted that lying, or deception of any kind, would be forbidden under any interpretation and in any circumstance. In Grounding, Kant gives the example of a person who seeks to borrow money without intending to pay it back. This is a contradiction because if it were a universal action, no person would lend money anymore as he knows that he will never be paid back. The maxim of this action, says Kant, results in a contradiction in conceivability (and thus contradicts perfect duty). With lying, it would logically contradict the reliability of language. If it is universally acceptable to lie, then no one would believe anyone and all truths would be assumed to be lies. The right to deceive could also not be claimed because it would deny the status of the person deceived as an end in itself. The theft would be incompatible with a possible kingdom of ends. Therefore, Kant denied the right to lie or deceive for any reason, regardless of context or anticipated consequences.
Mere opinions on blog pages or not – Ned stop your deceptions.
“but our courts have ruled that US patent law does not have a technical arts test.”
See link to patentlaw.typepad.com
“into the trashcan of history where it belongs.”
From the same person who thought it an honor to be invited to his funeral.
Ned, you disgust me.
I wish I knew how to include smilely faces in the posts.
Max, the US Supreme Court does not have to say that programming a computer to do X is unpatentable subject matter for its holding to also say that a computer programmed to do X is included within its holding.
The fix we are in, in part, is due to the nature of computers, an also due to the CCPA's junking of the function of the machine doctrine, the mental steps doctrine and Halliburton and its progenitors. If, long ago, the lower courts were to have simply held that a programmed computer was NOT a new machine, and had to be claimed as a process, we would not be in this difficulty.
I would hope that some dude with balls and some spare change, actually takes that issue to the Supreme Court. The Rich era is not dead
yet, and I suspect the Feds will not so soon throw his entire legacy into the trashcan of history where it belongs.
Your humor went unnoticed. Bad luck Ned.
Well Ned what I think is a mockery is ignoring the words the inventor deliberately and carefully chose to define the invention, and instead deciding on the basis of some woolly thing you call “the substance”.
So, why have claims at all, if SCOTUS is going to put them in the “Too Difficult” pile.
“There is a difference to looking a sentence or two in a case like Diehr, ”
I think you mean Benson old man, that’s where it originated. Your mind really is going.
But you’re right, Diehr affirmed that particular holding in Benson, just as Bilski did.
“and then extrapolating from that, an entire doctrine that legally empowers you to dissect claims and categorically deny business methods as patent eligible subject matter.”
Did I say that it did that? No, I did not.
Now, if that be the effect of it, far from me to stand in its way.
“There is no such pre-emption doctrine so stop talking about it, and/or using it.”
I lulzed. Gotcha, so that thing that BF and B used to invalidate the claims before them doesn’t exist? I see old man, I see.
Hey Phil, if BMs were categorically eligible as you suggest, there would be nothing wrong with the Bilski claims. They were directed to a BM. The were claimed as a process. They had a useful result, albeit a business result. They met all the requirements: 1) utility and 2) statutory class.
And yet they still fell to the 101 axe. How is this possible under your sense of the Bilski holding?
No what the Supremes actually concluded was that they were not categorically excluded, leaving it open that some BMs might be patentable per se under some test yet to be devised, but don't hold your breadth.
This is why I conclude that although
BMs were not categorically excluded, they, as a practically matter, were excluded for I cannot conceive of any test that would allow them to be patentable per se. This is the reason that they still must pass or fail the traditional tests of MOT and mental steps. Since almost all of them do nothing more process data, they will normally fail both the MOT and mental steps tests.
Max, I was trying to be humorous here, poking just a bit of fun at Euros who so long complained about Hilmer.
WTO complaint? Sarcastic.
Programmed machine is a special machine…. So, that means we can stop the 101 analysis there? That is what anon seems to contend. But to do so would be to make the words of the claim, rather than the substance of the invention, the predominate analytical tool in 101 analysis. It would make a mockery of all four Supreme Court cases on the topic.
No, the Feds themselves abandoned this approach a long time ago in In re Abele. The programmed machine still must DO something new, something within the MOT.
“Who the H E DOUBLE L are you to define the ” generally understood way that term is intended.”!?!?!?!”
First Rule of the Game: Be the person that sets the Rules.
For a great example of this, see Judge Rich.
For a poor example of this, see Ned Heller.
For an obvious example of this, spend some time on the anti-patent websites and listening to the anti-patent academia. The battle plan is to control the Rules of the Game, to control the language of the debate. Rhetoric and Sophistry are ancient tools. To some, seeing them in action is as plain as day. Understanding them for what they are allows you to cut the c_rap and get to the heart of the matter.
Why else is Ned so selective in the points he responds to? Why else does Ned not allow the truth to enter into “mere opinion?” Truth is but a mere casualty in Ned’s philosophical battle.
“obfuscate by feigning indignation”
Without this, Ned does not even have a table to pound on.
“It is clear the court did not hold that all BMPs are categorically eligible.”
More of the sinister word play from the peddler of deceipt and manipulation of mere opinions.
cat·e·gor·i·cal (kt-gôr-kl, -gr-) also cat·e·gor·ic (-k)
adj.
1. Being without exception or qualification; absolute. See Synonyms at explicit.
2.
a. Of or relating to a category or categories.
b. According to or using categories.
Clearly, the proper context of business methods being categorically patent eligible is the definition 2.
Just as clearly, NO specific category of 101 passes the definition 1. Abstract ideas can appear in method patents of any ilk.
There is ZERO legitimacy in attempting to single out patents of Business Methods from patents of other art type Methods.
Time to give it a rest and accept what the law IS.
“I like to point out that Rich was generally trying to rewrite patent law”
Trying?
No.
More like did.
That seems the part most unsettling to you, isn’t it? Rich did change the law – even the Supreme Court did not challenge him directly (and ended up backing away from the Douglas/Stevens anti-patent taint) because enough of them saw through the attempt at legislating that Stevens was about.
“but only because his cases have not been taken to Supreme Court.”
You keep forgetting that the Supreme Court does not get to legislate patent law – they only get to see if that (Congress-passed) law is beyond the constitution. You need to (once again) revisit Pennock and see the deference the Supremes give to the Congress-passed Law. The deference that is OWED to the Congress-passed Law, the deference that is OWED to the person that you both appear to honor and at the same time villify for changing the law, whose Hand it was that crafted those very changes. You have been asked how Rich was wrong on these items when he was so familiar with the Congress-passed Law and you have not given any answer that is not merely a parroting of the Douglas/Stevens taint. Come forward Ned and tell us why this particular facet of the Rich legacy is so wrong and so “aggressive.” Tell us in a convincing manner that can pass the smell test of your affinity to the Douglas/Stevens taint.
You will not because you cannot.
The USA, complaining to “some international body”. Are you serious Ned. I thought the USA was viscerally against the notion of an “international body” with any power to discipline a free and independent Nation State. But I suppose, nevertheless, it is not averse to “complaining” to such a “body” whenever it perceives that another nation is seeking to gain advantage over the USA.
Yup, got it from the Supreme Court of the United States!
This “blocking” Ned. It is a bit indirect, isn’t it? I thought it was the issue of patents that blocked sales, not the declining to patent business methods.
As anon says, a programmed computer is a “special” machine. There are potentially more such new and non-obvious (US style obviousness) than there are grains of sand in the Sahara Desert. If grains of sand block up the engine of innovation (that promotes the progress and which is needed, to save the world), and if 101 is the air filter on the front of the engine, no wonder some people want to keep 101 functional, to filter out the clogging material before it gets into the engine.
No such problem in Europe, where methods of doing business are barred from patent-eligibility. Those exceptional methods that do get through to issue are innovations in technology. The rest are not even worth filing on.
Ned, I still don’t understand your WTO Complaint idea. Can you expand on it? Or was it you being sarcastic?
“Regarding the question, and not the statement, concerning whether business methods transform articles, the answer clearly is that they do not if one uses the term “business method” in the generally understood way that term is intended.”
OMG, see this why you deserve to be treated the way you have been in this thread. Who the H E DOUBLE L are you to define the ” generally understood way that term is intended.”!?!?!?!
The Supreme Court of the United States won’t even touch that, and the CAFC has not either. But you NEDO want to have your own subjective, I define when I feel like, secret definition of business methods and expect everyone you debate with to accept it as fact and matter of law ?
Incredible!
Please allow me to bludgeon you over the had with some more facts:
FACT: The SCOTUS has not defined nor limited what is or is not a Business method!
FACT: The CAFC has not defined nor limited what is or is not a Business method!
FACT: And while you, Ned Heller, get to have an opinion of what you think should constitute a business method, your opinion carries no force of law and and therefore no weight in a debate based on matters of law.
”
First I was responding to his statement that Bilski had established that business methods were patent-eligible. ”
I made no such statement. I have repeatedly said Bilski upheld business methdos as statutory subject matter. That’s a FACT you can’t refute or rebut.
“Second I responding to his (their) statement that Diehr had somehow established that business methods were patent-eligible and further that Diehr had nothing to do with the MOT.”
I made no such statement. Read my position on Diehr, particular the DCAT. It’s well documented in this thread and at least 4 years on this blog. Agree or disagree, it’s been my position and you and the rest of the Anti Patent crowd are just jealous hecka frustrated that the Court decisions have come down my way. Making you look like the fooolish looosers that you are.
Of which you would not be if you just admitted you lost and wait for the next SCOTUS go round.
And again, I am only one poster. Actual Inventor, although I did add some well deserving tags on a couple of my post sigs such as B Slapping Ned…and Schools Ned.
But everyone else that has chastised you and called you out for being a dishonest , no account, willfully lying dog debater are people other than me.
And BTW, they are ALL right!
Ten comments in a row. A little extra time on your hands this afternoon, AI?
“The court did not decide that BMPs are within the useful arts.
They decided only that they were NOT categorically excluded by Section 101.”
Ned, you dishonest lil troll. And at this point you deserve that title for repeating dishonest statements that have so been pointed out to you by more than one commenter.
None the less, the Court did not have to establish that Business Methods are within the useful arts because Business methods are processes and therefore already within the useful arts and constitutional like all processes.
NOTE AS WELL: “In Corning v. Burden,15 How. 252, 267-268 (1853), the Supreme Court explained: A process, eonomine, (Latin “By That Name” ) is not made the subject of a patent in our act of Congress. It is included under the general term “useful art.” An art may require one or more processes or machines in order to produce a certain result or manufacture.”
So processes ( useful arts) are established by the Constitution, and Business Methods are considered processes, within the useful arts, by the SCOTUS. See Diehr, Bilski.
POOF!
And down goes the beginning of another whacko wet dream of Ned.
“You might want to check out the new Cybersource case AI. They mention it. Just like every case in the BFDB quartet do. I just coined an old test a new name, I didn’t change the test itself. You on the other hand are coining a whole new test.”
There is a difference to looking a sentence or two in a case like Diehr, that discusses pre-emption , and then extrapolating from that, an entire doctrine that legally empowers you to dissect claims and categorically deny business methods as patent eligible subject matter.
There is no such pre-emption doctrine so stop talking about it, and/or using it.
On the other hand my use of DCAT, as a mnemonic device that represents identifying the concept of an invention and where it is applied to technologies in the marketplace, goes no further than it’s use in the Diehr case itself.
I did not invent it.
I did not change it.
It’s just the law and you have to follow it.
Funny coming from someone that didn’t even know who Rich was until what, 3 years ago?
“Actual inventor, again I am responding to the point that you said that Bilski had established that business methods were patent-eligible. ”
That was corrected up thread and I explained that Bilski upheld business methods as patent eligible subject matter. A slight but important difference. And certainly still torpedoes your idea that business methods are not patent eligible subject matter and/or patentable.
” I asked just how a business method transformed an article into a new state or thing? ”
What difference does that make? No process, business or otherwise, is required to transform anything in order to be patten eligible subject matter, period!
“I did not say that Bilski had established that the claims before it in that case
where not patent-eligible because they were directed to business methods. Rather I said they were directed to business methods and were held not to be patent-eligible.”
This is double speak nonsense Ned and you know it. At this point you are now just being facetious and looking to self pleasure, since you can’t win and can’t admit you lost this debate.
Ummm no, Mooney stil has the crown in that category. But I am willing to give you the same opportunity as the rest.
Did the SCOTUS legally define business methods?
Is a business method a separate category from process, machine, manufacture or composition?
Did the SCOTUS ever rule that an invention labeled a business method, or whose claims improve a way to conduct business, is a judicial exception to statutory subject matter?
Oh and please back your answers up by citing case law. You might come away more astute and learned on this issue as well.
Ummm no, Mooney stil has the crown in that category. But I am willing to give you the same opportunity as the rest.
Did the SCOTUS legally define business methods?
Is a business method a separate category from process, machine, manufacture or composition?
Did the SCOTUS ever rule that an invention labeled a business method, or whose claims improve a way to conduct business, is a judicial exception to statutory subject matter?
Oh and please back your answers up by citing case law. You might come away more astute and learned on this issue as well.
“Ned,
I believe that you are misreading the comment.
The comment means that – as a category – business methods are patent-eligible subject matter.”
Exactly! I have not read the entire thread yet but I am willing to bet 6 the money for his next paid date, that Ned is gonna try and wiggle his way out of this, while repeating the same dead argument.
“That is undenialable, otherwise the Stevens dissent in Bilski would not have been a dissent.”
Yes! And this is what is so dumbfounding about the anti patent’s crowd position. Anyone vaguely familiar, or who cares to read the case history on 101 will see all their positions come from the dissents position. Yet they get on this blog and argue fervently as if their position is based on law.
“It is rather immaterial that Actual Inventor is incorrect in saying that Bilski established that business methods were patent-eligible, as Congress was the branch of government that established that. ”
This is correct. My position is that SCOTUS Bilski upheld business methods as patent eligible subject matter. And the SCOTUS did have the question before them and could have ruled otherwise. But the expressly refused to do so.
“The rest of what you are attempting to do Ned is over-reach. You are just not going to be able to outshout Actual Inventor on this point. You do not have the law, you do not have the facts, and Actual Inventor is better at pounding this table. All you are doing is displaying the fact that what you want the law to be is not what the law is.”
Truer words have never been spoken. Thats all they are all doing, Ned, 6, Mooney. and inane whenever he gets out of the bar. Right now the law is on the side of Actual Inventors, and the losers just have to suck it up and swallow.
Ned: ”
That said, it appears that a great number if not the vast majority of business method claims actually granted by the patent office would not pass either test. I refer you to Malcolm’s short list of recently granted claims.”
OMG, where did Mooney write this “short list”? On the “short bus” ? Who needs the SCOTUS, we have Nedo and Mooney making patent law and the “short bus”
NED: AI, AI’s Dear Diehrist , or should I say, goal post shifter? (I refer to AI and AI’s generically, as I cannot tell if they are the same or two different people.)
Oh no you don’t! You are NOT getting off that easy by conflating my questions with that of another, all be it, kick azz poster. Actual Inventor and AI’s Dear Diehrist are different posters with different questions. Deal with what I, Actual Inventor presented directly or run away, but don’t try and wiggle you way out of specific responses by mixing up the issues to begin with.
Although Anon below did do a fine job of Intellectually B Slapping you. Granted he/she does it in a more gingerly , scholarly fashion, but tis a good B slapping!
The only choices you have left now are to admit you are wrong on business methods, or simply run away from the issue and be forever silent, like Mooney. Heck even 6 knows not to get into this debate with Actual Inventors. Just remember Actual Inventors win!
We always win.
Huh?
“Bilski WAS a business method and the Supreme Court decided it was NOT patentable. Time to go back and read the decision actual inventor because you perceptions of what the case stands for is way off base.”
I have no problem with you calling Bilski’s invention a business method. And yes the SCOTUS did not say it was statutory subject matter. But is not the same as Nedo’s claim that business methods are not patentable. Now how about you think with some depth and answer these questions:
Did the SCOTUS legally define business methods?
Is a business method a separate category from process, machine, manufacture or composition?
Did the SCOTUS ever rule that an invention labeled a business method, or whose claims for improve a way to conduct business is a judicial exception to statutory subject matter?
Oh and please back your answers up by citing case law. You might come away more astute and learned on this issue.
Or else we might just get huffy and file some sort of complaint with some international body that the Euros are obstructing international trade by blocking sales of unpatentable software in Europe. Think Apple and Microsoft.
Anon: "Because, and quite simply, the majority did decide that Business Methods are within the useful arts. "
From the holding: "Section 101 similarly precludes the broad contention that the term "process" categorically excludes business methods. The term "method," which is within § 100(b)'s definition of "process," at least as a textual matter and before consulting other limitations in the Patent Act and this Court's precedents, may include at least some methods of doing business."
The court did not decide that BMPs are within the useful arts.
They decided only that they were NOT categorically excluded by Section 101.
Anon: "Bilski decision quite literally discusses the fact that business methods – not being expressly outlawed – are patent eligible subject matter as a category."
From the case: "The Information Age empowers people with new capacities to perform statistical analyses and mathematical calculations with a speed and sophistication that enable the design of protocols for more efficient performance of a vast number of business tasks. If a high enough bar is not set when considering patent applications of this sort, patent examiners and courts could be flooded with claims that would put a chill on creative endeavor and dynamic
change.
In searching for a limiting principle, this Court's precedents on the unpatentability of abstract ideas provide useful tools. See infra, at 3229-3231. Indeed, if the Court of Appeals were to succeed in defining a narrower category or class of patent applications that claim to instruct how business should be conducted, and then rule that the category is unpatentable because, for instance, it represents an attempt to patent abstract ideas, this conclusion might well be in accord with controlling precedent. See ibid. But beyond this or some other limitation consistent with the statutory text, the Patent Act leaves open the possibility that there are at least some processes that can be fairly described as business methods that are within patentable subject matter under §
101."
It is clear the court did not hold that all BMPs are categorically eligible. They left open a definition by the lower courts that would exclude those that amounted to nothing more than abstract ideas.
AI, you are the king of non sequitur arguments, and you keep ignoring the fact that Bilski was a business method and was held ineligible.
Did the actual inventor actually read Bilski? Saying that it might be possible to have a patentable invention that fails the MorT test is NOT the same thing as upholding business methods. Bilski WAS a business method and the Supreme Court decided it was NOT patentable. Time to go back and read the decision actual inventor because you perceptions of what the case stands for is way off base.
I believe it was A New Light that stated rather eloquently
Keep dreaming, NAL.
Or else what Ned?
Europe’s long-established, well-established jurisprudence shuts out business methods with 103 (Art 56 EPC), not its 101 (Art 52) provision. Not controversial any more, in mainland Europe.
But there is still debate amongst the patents judges in England and,I suspect, at the Federal Circuit and above.
anon, have you any idea how many business method claims the EPO grants, every week? Ever heard of the notion of “creep”, to explain the gradual expansion of IP rights into areas where they were earlier not found?
Max, I really find it interesting the the programmed computer in Europe is not treated as a process for patent-eligibility purposes. It seems the folks in Europe will have to now get in line with US interpretation, or else.
Ned,
I do have an issue with your statement of: “I don’t think the majority can be stretched that far… I would agree with you on this point, they did not decide that Business Methods were not within the useful arts.”
Because, and quite simply, the majority did decide that Business Methods are within the useful arts. Otherwise, as I have posted, the Stevens’ minority view would have been the majority view.
To me, it verges on the absurdly semantic to dance as you do with the double negatives (“did not decide…were not within the usefule arts“) and say “the majority cannot be stretched that far” and “Therefore by [mere] implication,…” because the Bilski decision quite literally discusses the fact that business methods – not being expressly outlawed – are patent eligible subject matter as a category. As I have posted, ignoring this or dancing around this only highlights the hole “in the position taken by some of the bloggers here.”
It is clear that you are having some extreme dificulty in accepting this Supreme Court mandate. Until you do accept this, the positions you advance in your debates are simply fatally flawed. This is not a personal attack – this is a message to you made in the hope that you (recognize and) remove the flaw.
Max, you will have to take anon’s summary of the law with a grain of salt. He has an interpretation of the law that is way, way out of line with the holdings of the cases on programmed computer. The CCPA held in Benson that a programmed computer was patent eligible without a new result. But that case was overturned in Gottshalk v. Benson. Later cases tried to maintain the fiction that Benson was limited to processes. But after being overtuned again in Flook, the CCPA began to come around. Abele said they would treat claims to programmed computers as processes. Alappat and State Street Bank both held the programmed computers there-claimed to be patent eligible because they produced a (new) useful, concrete and tangible result.
Anyone reading these cases as a whole would know that a programmed machine by itself was not patent eligible. The holding in Cybersource was highly predictable. In fact, I was making that very argument here (treating such claims as process claims) just prior to the case issuing.
anon, I have to caution you that your summary of the law on a programmed computer is not at all, or even close, to being accurate.
Alappat held the claims there patentable because they produced a “useful, concrete and tangible” result. The case does NOT stand for the proposition you cited it for. Not even State Street Bank thought that.
should be “that just because”
Ned,
Please toughen up. I do not ascribe to the “politically correct” method of saying “the argument of” when the more direct and clear statement of “your stated position” is completely accurate.
This is no more a personal “attack” than a mere affirmation that it is you that puts forth the position under discussion.
Do not obfuscate by feigning indignation that the position is under attack and that therefore, you personally are under attack. Such is not worthy to the discussion and can only sidetrack the actual legal positions. If it helps assuage your feelings any, merely delete your name from my comments and insert the bulky phrase “the position that has been advanced by particular bloggers.”
Let’s stay on topic, shall we?
As for the rest, I have already commented on your redefining the term and merely suggest again that you coin a different term.
anon, I would agree with you again that just claims may have a business utility does not render claims otherwise patent eligible under the MOT and Cybersource tests ineligible.
That said, it appears that a great number if not the vast majority of business method claims actually granted by the patent office would not pass either test. I refer you to Malcolm's short list of recently granted claims.
Yes MaxDrei, I do understand the interest you have in watching this debate.
I note with further interest of my own the very real distinction between US law and the law you are familiar with in regards to the technical aspect. Here in the States, our law is not limited to “technical.” I do not have the case cite immediately on hand, but our courts have ruled that US patent law does not have a technical arts test. Rather, our constitutional mandate is much larger and pertains to the useful arts.
I believe it was A New Light that stated rather eloquently how business methods have crossed over into the realm of the useful arts. From my own hands-on experience of running business units dealing with engineering development, I fully agree with the US notion (and I believe that anyone who has experience with Demming, six sigma or the host of “technical” business methods would also acknowledge so).
I think this difference in law is a subtle and yet extremely important nuance.
A New Light also posted that while business methods (as a category) are patent eligible by law (sorry Ned, there is no other way to read Bilski), the full force and effect of just what belongs to the category of “useful arts” was left teetering on the fence in Bilski with sharply diametricly opposed views, each with four votes, from the remaining Kennedy portions and the extensive Stevens diatribe.
We all must “wait and see.”
Anon, "I believe that you are misreading the comment.
The comment means that – as a category – business methods are patent-eligible subject matter.
That is undenialable, otherwise the Stevens dissent in Bilski would not have been a dissent."
I don't think the majority can be stretched that far. They simply were not deciding the case on whether Business Methods were within the Useful Arts as they could decide the case before them on different grounds.
I would agree with you on this point, they did not decide that Business Methods were not within the useful arts. Therefore by implication, Business
Methods implicitly could be patent eligible provided that they were otherwise non-abstract.
However, the Supreme Court was also the view it would be highly unlikely that anything that did not pass the "machine or transformation" test would be otherwise patent eligible.
anon, if you want a polite conversation, I suggest you stick to making arguments, points and counterpoints, and stop making so many “personal” observations.
Regarding the question, and not the statement, concerning whether business methods transform articles, the answer clearly is that they do not if one uses the term “business method” in the generally understood way that term is intended. A “business method” works with abstract principles, such as balancing risk as in the Bilski claims. Now a new computer-based machine can be used to enhance business transactions, but I would not call such a machine a business method. Similarly, a process that manipulates multiple computers to produce a new kind of business transaction may be patent eligible even under Cybersource. But I would not necessarily call such a process a business method.
So it really all depends on what we are talking about.
anon, as to Rich, I like to point out that Rich was generally trying to rewrite patent law. I have tried to go into detail on this, but he was behind the CCPA decisions that overturned the “functional of machine doctrine” (a doctrine that one cannot claim all means for achieving a particular result by inventing one such means), the “mental steps” doctrine (a doctrine that held that if a process could be performed entirely in the mind it was not patent eligible), cabining Muncie Gear to being only a “new matter case,” leveraging the passage of §112, ¶ 6 to overturn not only Halliburton, but all prior cases that would hold that claims functional-at-the-point-of-novelty were indefinite, that §112, ¶ 6 was intended to apply to claim construction in the patent office despite Frederico’s expressed statement to the contrary, his continued emphasis that §103 was intended to overturn prior Supreme Court case law generally, his extension of prior art for section 103 purposes to include so-called “secret” prior art that had never been considered to be prior art by the Supreme Court, and here I mean “prior invention,” and §102(f).
His efforts on section 101 have been recounted here and somewhat detail.
But generally his record is one of aggression and transformation. He was a man with an agenda. He want to impose his views on patent law, and to a great extent he succeeded, but only because his cases have not been taken to Supreme Court. The most recent example of reversal of his aggressive views is the Bilski case, in which the Supreme Court condemned in no uncertain terms Rich’s holding in State Street Bank.
Ned,
Much more clear – but I doubt that you will find agreement on your definition of business method.
As I post below, the actual definition is larger in scope than your definition (also, see the post on Congress’ definition).
As patent law is meant to be broad, the definition of business method patent will be broad as well.
No doubt, that broad definition will include abstract ideas, which, as a subset, may fail the eligibility notions under discussion – but – and this is the point that I believe Actual Inventor is making – such is equally true of method claims in all other art-unit specific methods. There simply is no legal reason for subdividing out “business methods” as a distinct and non-patent eligible class. Case law is explicit on this point and the majority in Bilski was explicit on this point (see the mighty big soapbox of Actual Inventor’s below).
Any argument that does not recognize this fact is doomed to failure. Choosing to ignore this fact only shots a glaring hole in your position.
Where you seem to run into trouble is that you want to redefine the term to be a small subset of what that term actually means. I advise you to coin a different term for that subset.
Thanks for that, anon. You will understand that this argument is interesting for me, just to see whether those (including many in the UK) who believe that 101 should be a real hurdle will ever find an argument sound enough to stand up to the EPO logic that has it that anything that is computer-implemented has “technical character” and thereby becomes patent-eligible (despite the explicit statutory EPC bar on patenting methods for doing business).
Ned,
There is no need to get testy with me and call my comments “pathetic misrepresentations and twisting of facts.”
You need to understand that if what I am saying is not what you mean, then you need to rephrase your statements. Do not attack the messenger when the message is that you are losing this debate.
As far as “in a polite manner, and not in the sense of your post to me” – lose the attitude – my posts to you have been perfectly cordial. Do not be a cretin just because you are losing the argument.
“whether, in your opinion, a method of doing business transforms an article into a new state or thing?”
Here Ned is a perfect example of your over-reach. The answer is “it depends.” You cannot make a categorical statement such as this on business method patents any more than you can make such a categorical statement on any art unit method patents because it depends on the actual claim language of the specific art unit method patent claim. Will some methods of doing business transform an article into a new state or thing? Most definitely. Will some methods of doing business not transform an article into a new state or thing? ALSO most definitely.
You are simply not asking the right question. And you are – in fact – making overblown statements. I advise you to take a step back, calm down and read teh interchange with a calm third-person perspective of someone new reading this thread. Do not instantly reject the points made against you and do not get huffy when others agree that you have failed to make a point that you think is not only made but carries the day. The clothes of your argument indeed could not be more threadbare.
anon, it is my opinion based upon the entire history of the development of section 101 jurisprudence, that business methods are not patent eligible per se. A claim that is otherwise patent eligible because it claims subject matter that passes the MOT test, or because it somehow passes the new Cybersource test, may contain elements that pertain to business just as claims otherwise patentable may contain elements, such as mental steps, without thereby rendering them ineligible for patentability. However, I would not call these claims business method claims. They pertain to business, that is all.
A business method claim in my view is a claim that manipulates abstract principles and works on data. It is ideal for implementation on computers. But as we have learned, simply implementing a program on a computer is not enough to render the claim patent-eligible.
Anon, If my statements could be misread as a statement that Bilski held that all business methods were not patent-eligible, let me correct that misimpression at this point in time. I was responding to actual inventors statement that Bilski had held that business methods were patent-eligible. I was pointing out to him that the claims at issue in Bilski were business methods, and that the court had unanimously held them to be not patent-eligible. Therefore his statement was, the say least, overblown.
“Therefore your proposition that Bilski held that business methods were patent-eligible subject matter cannot possibly be right.”
Ned,
I believe that you are misreading the comment.
The comment means that – as a category – business methods are patent-eligible subject matter.
That is undenialable, otherwise the Stevens dissent in Bilski would not have been a dissent.
It is rather immaterial that Actual Inventor is incorrect in saying that Bilski established that business methods were patent-eligible, as Congress was the branch of government that established that. It comes down to whether or not Bilski outlaws business method patents and just as clearly as Stevens was not a majority view, that position fails.
The rest of what you are attempting to do Ned is over-reach. You are just not going to be able to outshout Actual Inventor on this point. You do not have the law, you do not have the facts, and Actual Inventor is better at pounding this table. All you are doing is displaying the fact that what you want the law to be is not what the law is.
<i>anon, You know full well that a later case not dealing with the explicit merits of an earlier case does not touch those merits. Your "reach" in trying to destroy the patent eligibility of business methods and software exposes you so."</i>
I hope you understand that this statement is a complete misrepresentation of the dialogue between myself and Actual Inventor, and his sundry monikers.
First I was responding to his statement that Bilski had established that business methods were patent-eligible. Second I responding to his (their) statement that Diehr had somehow established that business methods were patent-eligible and further that Diehr had nothing to do with the MOT.
Now you say, that it is me, and not Actual Inventor and his varying monikers, that are making overblown statements. I hope you do realize, that your own post here is a pathetic misrepresentation and twisting of the facts.
Since you want to intervene in this topic, may I ask you, in a polite manner, and
not in the sense of your post to me, whether, in your opinion, a method of doing business transforms an article into a new state or thing?
<i>"Actual Inventor has replied to your comment:
Ned Heller said in reply to Really!…
And, the courts have now held such not
to be patent eligible"
What a dishonest person you are Ned. Who do you think you are fooling? Might as well change your user name to Mudd, or maybe Mooney. Anyone slightly familiar with business method patent cases knows that SCOTUS Bilski did not say so called business methods are not patent eligible. Here, let me beat you over the head, I mean refresh your memory with SCOTUS Bilski:"</i>
Actual inventor, again I am responding to the point that you said that Bilski had established that business methods were patent-eligible. I did not say that Bilski had established that the claims before it in that case
where not patent-eligible because they were directed to business methods. Rather I said they were directed to business methods and were held not to be patent-eligible.
Next, in response to a point made by you are your co-moniker concerning Diehr, I asked just how a business method transformed an article into a new state or thing? Obviously, business methods have nothing to do with transforming articles into new states are things, so normally one would expect them not to be patent-eligible. I would hope you could understand this point, but I would doubt it.
Sorry MaxDrei,
Your attempt at clarification, while accurate for what is says, will not clarify the debate because both sides of the debate are not interested in what the other side is saying. Each side wants what it wants – and that includes that the other side is “wrong.”
Besides which, the real juicy argument does center around your point one: “merely by defining your invention as a process performed on a computer by a computer” because, strictly speaking, passing MOT would be done by “merely performing your claimed process on a computer by a computer” because the programming necessary to do so changes the computer from a generic device to a specific purpose machine by law – precisly because Alappat has not been overturned. Note that Dyk in the Cyborsource case seeks to limit (not overturn) the Alappat result. I think it interesting that Dyk offers no supporting case law or citation for his attempted limitation and as mentioned in another of my comments this morning, fails to align his view with the existing post-Bilski panel decision in Research Corp.
"You state that BMs are patent eligible, but Bilski was held not patent eligible. It matters not the test. It matters that the BMs are not patentable."
Well, Ned using your logic, I can cite cases that held inventions of machines, articles of manufacture, and chemical compositions as not patentable. Then conclude that Machines, Manufactures, and Compositions are not patent eligible subject matter.
Bottom line is you can't cite once case that says business methods as a category are not
patent eligible subject matter, and thats a FACT.
Now deal with that Beach.
Actual Inventor"</i>
Actual Inventor, I believe I was responding to the point you were making that Bilski had established that business methods were patent-eligible. I had to point out to you that the claims that Bilski held, and unanimously held, not patent-eligible were in fact directed to business methods. Therefore your proposition that Bilski held that business methods were patent-eligible subject matter cannot possibly be right.
AI, it was you or your alternate ego, AI's dear Diehrist, who contended that Diehr somehow authorized or made patent-phoneeligible "business method patents." I never contended that Diehr ever said that the MOT was the exclusive test for patent-eligible subject matter when dealing with programs. You said that, not me.
“Should I dignify this?”
No.
Unfortunately, your logic is faulty enough that the rudeness carries the day. That is a problem with using overblown statements. You know full well that a later case not dealing with the explicit merits of an earlier case does not touch those merits. Your “reach” in trying to destroy the patent eligibility of business methods and software exposes you so.
That’s a mighty big soapbox you have there Actual Inventor.
AI, AI’s Dear Diehrist , or should I say, goal post shifter? (I refer to AI and AI’s generically, as I cannot tell if they are the same or two different people.)
AI, “Ned, there was no mention of a MOT Test in Diehr. You have gone from being Intellectually Dishonest to Intellectually Delusional.”
I responded by pointing out that Diehr relied on the MOT test (transform an article…) for its holding.
You respond, “And how does this selective cutting and pasting from the syllabus prove Business Methods are not patentable?”
I quoted Diehr because “you” said, “We will have to take our solace in knowing that we are right and Diehr is ascendant. Quoting law on this subject without including Diehr is an invitation to be overturned. Everyone can and should read Diehr and Bilski. Everyone should make note that the views being expressed by the Deceivers resonate in the dissents – the losing portions of those decisions. Only the dishonest and those who wish to pervert and distort the Law would try to forget what the Law is. They believe that if they say their lies over and over again and again that the lies will become the truth. But the truth is ther for all to see and read. We only have to read chapter and verse to reconfirm that we are correct and that Diehr is ascendant.”
In other words, it was you in one of your monikers who contended that Diehr somehow made Business Methods patentable. I simply asked you, or one of your monikers, just how a business method transforms an article from one state to a new or different state? I didn’t really get an answer. I got a denial that Diehr had anything to do with the MOT.
While not taking sides in this debate between AI and Ned, the logic that Ned is applying to Business Methods as a category cannot stand.
Clearly there are Business Methods that fail patentability and patent-eligibility just as there are the other categories of 101 that meet the same fate, and it is improper to such a global statement that the category fails because of AN application loosely associated with that category fails.
Ned,
I think you should consider refraining from such overblown statements as they lesson your credibility in the discussion. The rhetorical style of AI is to stand on a soapbox and shout “The Word” – getting an a soapbox next to him and shouting as well is probably not the most effective counter, especially if you are shouting easily recognized nonsense.
I enjoy the historical discussion, but the over-reach at the end with the mere conclusory statement that Judge Rich fails in his view of business methods and software does not follow, but rather appears to be your phiolosophical viewpoint. I see what you are saying, but I cannot see how you are getting there – from a logical point of view. Why on these topics would Judge Rich have gotten the law wrong – the law he, more than anyone else, was intimately aware of? Take a step back, look at the players involved and note their tendencies. This is not a matter of Judge Rich expanding patent coverage at all – this is a matter of simply understanding and applying the law as Congress set forth. Patent law is supposed to be expansive, and the exceptions are supposed to be limited – not the other way around. Wanting to categorically outlaw business method and software patents would be the exception swallowing the rule (and would be what Stevens’ dissent (dressed as a concurrence) in Bilski would have done – but be clear – that portion of the decision is not law.
I also would not depend too much on the logic from the Cybersource case, as Dyk’s reformulation is obviously incomplete (leaving mention of Diehr in only a footnote should be troubling, as Diehr is most on point for that case). Cybersource does not even meet the first 101 panel’s views post-Bilski and thus is wobbly on the matter of not properly following guiding precedent (as new as it is) and I can easily foresee an en banc decision that will include a full discussion of Diehr and Research Corp.
Can we clarify one issue, which I summarise below, in three numbered paragraphs:
1. You can’t pass through the 101 needle eye merely by defining your invention as a process performed on a computer by a computer, and you can’t fail the 101 test just by choosing to define your process invention as a business process. Rather, some computer-implemented process inventions, corresponding to a business process, pass 101 but other such processes do not.
2. It all depends.
3. On what it all finally depends, nobody yet quite knows, because the CAFC hasn’t told us yet.
Ned Heller said in reply to Really!…
And, the courts have now held such not to be patent eligible”
What a dishonest person you are Ned. Who do you think you are fooling? Might as well change your user name to Mudd, or maybe Mooney. Anyone slightly familiar with business method patent cases knows that SCOTUS Bilski did not say so called business methods are not patent eligible. Here, let me beat you over the head, I mean refresh your memory with SCOTUS Bilski:
“The invention at issue is claimed to be a “process,” which §100(b) defines as a “proc- ess, art or method, and includes a new use of a known process, ma- chine, manufacture, composition of matter, or material.”
So much for your whacko claim that Bilski’s invention is limited to only a business method. It’s a process like I have said all along, even before the decision was ruled on.
“Pp. 4–5.
(b) The machine-or-transformation test is not the sole test for pat- ent eligibility under §101. The Court’s precedents establish that al- though that test may be a useful and important clue or investigative tool, it is not the sole test for deciding whether an invention is a pat- ent-eligible “process” under §101. ”
Whoops there it is! Well Nedo, there goes your wet dream for MOT being the sole test!
“In holding to the contrary, the Federal Circuit violated two principles of statutory interpretation: Courts “ ‘should not read into the patent laws limitations and condi- tions which the legislature has not expressed,’ ” Diamond v. Diehr, 450 U. S. 175, 182, and, “[u]nless otherwise defined, ‘words will be in- terpreted as taking their ordinary, contemporary, common mean- ing,’ ” ibid. The Court is unaware of any ordinary, contemporary, common meaning of “process” that would require it to be tied to a machine or the transformation of an article. Respondent Patent Di- rector urges the Court to read §101’s other three patentable catego- ries as confining “process” to a machine or transformation. However, the doctrine of noscitur a sociis is inapplicable here, for §100(b) al- ready explicitly defines “process,” see Burgess v. United States, 553 U. S. 124, 130, and nothing about the section’s inclusion of those other categories suggests that a “process” must be tied to one of them. Cite as: 561 U. S. ____ (2010) 3 Syllabus Finally, the Federal Circuit incorrectly concluded that this Court has endorsed the machine-or-transformation test as the exclusive test. Recent authorities show that the test was never intended to be ex- haustive or exclusive. See, e.g., Parker v. Flook, 437 U. S. 584, 588, n. 9. Pp. 5–8.
(c) Section 101 similarly precludes a reading of the term “process” that would categorically exclude business methods. The term “method” within §100(b)’s “process” definition, at least as a textual matter and before other consulting other Patent Act limitations and this Court’s precedents, may include at least some methods of doing business. The Court is unaware of any argument that the “ordinary, contemporary, common meaning,” Diehr, supra, at 182, of “method” excludes business methods. “
BOOM BOOM POW! AND DOWN WENT NED ONLY TO GO INTO HIDING FOR WEEKS WITH MOONEY!
Now what have you learned for the Supreme Court Ned? Business methods are processes and statutory and constitutional like all processes!
:: CASE CLOSED::
BANGS GAVEL!
“You state that BMs are patent eligible, but Bilski was held not patent eligible. It matters not the test. It matters that the BMs are not patentable.”
Well, Ned using your logic, I can cite cases that held inventions of machines, articles of manufacture, and chemical compositions as not patentable. Then conclude that Machines, Manufactures, and Compositions are not patent eligible subject matter.
Bottom line is you can’t cite once case that says business methods as a category are not patent eligible subject matter, and thats a FACT.
Now deal with that Beach.
Actual Inventor
Oh and Nedo, just because Diehr’s invention used a machine and transformation does not mean that the Diehr case created a strict machine or transformation test or even used such a test to grant Diehr his patent. The Court NEVER said such and you can’t prove otherwise.
If the Court intended Diehr to be the precedent for a machine or transformation test then they would have said so in Bilski and not struck down the CAFC’s MOT as the sole test.
You just can’t be this D U M B! Or can you???
And how does this selective cutting and pasting from the syllabus prove Business Methods are not patentable?
You can’t even define so called business methods!
And that’s a fact.
“You mean “make up” as in your phony pre-emtion doctrine, which you can’t define, explain, or provide examples for and no seems to be able to find a reference to in any case law in the history of patents ?”
You might want to check out the new Cybersource case AI. They mention it. Just like every case in the BFDB quartet do. I just coined an old test a new name, I didn’t change the test itself. You on the other hand are coining a whole new test.
Needless to say, I’ve defined, explained, and provided examples for it numerous times for you in the past AI. Your memory going already old man?
Should I dignify this?
Sent from iPhone
Ned, Do you even know how to read legal cases, or do you enjoy being dishonest.
Because it is one or the other – you are either dummb as a rock or you are a l_iar.
And, the courts have now held such not to be patent eligible. The claims have to pass the MOT, as a practical matter. Such claims transform things. Business methods are not things. They are manipulations of abstract ideas.
From the syllabus:
For purposes of 101, a "process" is "an act, or a series of acts, performed upon the subject-matter to be transformed and reduced to a
different state or thing. If new and useful, it is just as patentable as is a piece of machinery. . . . The machinery pointed out as suitable to perform the process may or may not be new or patentable." Cochrane v. Deener, 94 U.S. 780, 788 . Industrial processes such as respondents' claims for transforming raw, uncured synthetic rubber into a different state or thing are the types which have historically been eligible to receive patent-law protection. Pp. 181-184.
When a
claim containing a mathematical formula implements or applies the formula in a structure or process which, when considered as a whole, is performing a function which the patent laws were designed to protect (e. g., transforming or reducing an article to a different state or thing), then the claim satisfies 101's requirements. Pp. 191-193.
That's what the case holds.
Now, what pray tell, is the MOT test?
Ah, get off it. The Bilski claims were directed to a Business Method, everyone knows that, and everyone but you, it seems.
You cannot avoid this fact.
You state that BMs are patent eligible, but Bilski was held not patent eligible. It matters not the test. It matters that the BMs are not patentable.
Every – single – justice, every – onem, rejected the State Street Bank test. Both State Street and Alappat dealt with programmed machines. Deal with it.
Ned asks “Business Methods now Law of the land? Really?has already answered:
35 U.S.C. 273(a)(3) the term “method” means a method of doing or conducting business;
Suck it up Ned !