Finjan v. Rea (Supreme Court 2013)
In its recently filed petition for certiorari, Finjan asks the court to determine whether "prior art should be presumed enabled" when being applied during prosecution before the United States Patent and Trademark Office. The Government's response in opposition alters the question somewhat by asking "Whether, in proceedings to determine whether a patent application should be granted, the [USPTO] bears the burden of demonstrating that a prior art printed publication that anticipates the invention for which the patent is sought enables a person of skill in the art to practice the invention."
The PTO Argues:
The presumption of enablement is consistent with the general rule that the examiner need not raise and explain every possible issue surrounding each ground of rejection. Because the primary purpose of the prima facie showing is to provide notice, an examiner "is not required to anticipate every possible response to a rejection, including showing that a cited reference is enabling." Antor. When an examiner identifies anticipation as a ground of rejection, that notification informs the applicant that he may raise lack of enablement in his response.
The presumption of enablement also reflects the Federal Circuit's recognition that requiring the examiner preemptively to make the detailed findings necessary to verify enablement would be "manifestly inefficient," "burdensome," and "entirely unnecessary." Jung. Because the enablement inquiry requires an analysis of the degree of experimentation necessary to implement an invention, "an examiner, who has no access to experts or laboratories, is not in a position to test each piece of prior art for enablement in citing it, and requiring him to do so would be onerous, if not impossible." Antor. … The applicant is better positioned than the PTO to gather evidence supporting his contention that the prior art is not enabling.
Steve, but you never know, do you? I would want to see an expert’s opinion on this.
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Ned — while an expert opinion is a good idea, if one follows the post-Antor Fed Cir’s guidance and my approach in challenging a press release (In re Steve Morsa), argument should be enough.
Press releases rarely, if ever, enable claims.
Wow, stench of desperation is getting intense. Set theory; please. That’s just plain weeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaak……
I heard Renee Quinn’s father just passed. Why don’t you be your usual classy self and insult her.
Weirdest. Bl0gtr0ll. Ever.
Leopold,
Open your eyes, if you can.
My defense is most definitely NOT ‘Malcolm did it first.’
Quite simply because I am not doing what Malcolm did. I need NO defense at all as I am pointing out to you that your ‘beloved hero’ for whom you cheer is the type of slime to actually do what you WRONGLY accuse me of doing.
I need NO defense for pointing this little fact out, either to him or to you.
Are you a third-grader? Your defense is that “Malcolm did it first”?
Pathetic.
Sorry Leopold but once again you are shooting your arrow at the wrong target as it was your dear Malcolm that has insulted the dead and those grieving for the recently departed.
Slime? Yes, but not who you shoot at.
Open your eyes.
That’s pretty low class, anon, even for you. I’m pretty sure Ms. Quinn didn’t ask to be a weapon in your one-man slime-fest.
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Sorry, I should have mentioned that the claim wasn’t to a product, but to a combination of machinery to make the product. The examiner was stating, “See, Competitor built this factory to make the product, therefore your claims are anticipated.” Except that (A) there’s no evidence that the plant was going to have the same arrangement, and (B) the plant was never built to begin with.
“you leapt to his “defense” (for no reason).”
LOL – How dare anyone defend anyone that Malcolm maligns (given that that person does not even post here (Quinn), or rarely post here (Boundy)).
Are you serious?
No, really. Did you seriously just try to justify yourself?
And you call me a t001?
LOL – the accuse-others-of-that-which-you-are game in high gear.
Hey, I heard Renee Quinn’s father just passed. Why don’t you be your usual classy self and insult her.
How about Keeping It Real, Robert, Francis, Shrivan, Vivika M., Friend(S) of the Court, and Joe Public – Are they svckies? (and remember – no 1ying)
LOL.
Ready to have the nuts yet to own up to the very behavior that you QQ ed incessantly about and considered ‘the worst thing evah?’
LOL. Thought not.
It’s pretty obvious that you meant it as an insult Malcolm.
LOL – you trying to spin your own spin. Lovely.
“Are you serious”
Evidently, you are not, as you continue to have a CRP fest here.
And I have already ‘let you know’ just how to control the posts that you don’t like: Don’t CRP in the first place, then I won’t have anything to rub your nose in.
As for ‘tr011in,’ take a gander at who started this evening’s ‘tr011in.’ Hint: that would be you. Gee, Malcolm accusing others of that which he does.
Shockers.
/eyeroll
What? You want more than an @ta boy for your vacuous posts?
Greedy bugger, aren’t you?
“The failure of disclosure is concealment.”
Maybe. Maybe not. As with cold fusion, there was in fact no concealment. “Not having it” is something that concealment cannot reach.
And please, Ned, use better examples than isolation – you are just begging to kick up a dust cloud like that. Star Trek is a good example (plus the archives have some great pics of Star Trek facepalms for Malcolm).
that is his ‘specialty.’
Another vacuous post by Tr0 llb0y.
@ta boy.
Fun game, Tr0 llb0y!
What’s next? Want to recycle one of your old insults or accuse me of “running away” from you? Reach into your hat, Tr0 llb0y. The suspense is killing me.
Please also let me know if referring to Gene Quinn as a “patent apologist” is an insult to Gene Quinn.
This is important to know. Is calling Gene Quinn a “patent apologist” an insult to Gene or not? I know what Gene thinks. What do you think, Tr0 llb0y? Because you seem to really like the guy and share many if not all of his views about what the “real problems” with our patent system are. Insult or mainly accurate? I want to know what you think, and why.
“And the Federal Circuit at least has upheld the PTO already on this issue”
LOL – try again.
MM, THE fundamental law is that a disclosure that is not enabling is not prior art. One can announce in a press release that one has discovered cold fusion, for example, but that does not block a later patent on cold fusion where the first inventor has not disclosed to the public how to do it. The failure of disclosure is concealment. If the Feds have overturned that fundamental law, then let us say the reason that it is not prior invention prior art is lack of enablement.
I say I have isolated Adrenalin. But, even if that were in fact true, that disclosure would no anticipate a later patent on Adrenalin unless one or ordinary skill knew how to isolate Adrenalin. The real invention in the Adrenalin case was the process of purification of Adrenalin from extracts. The patent on the compound should go to the first who disclosed how to make it.
We see Kirk using a transporter. That demonstration does not anticipate the later discovery of the transporter.
zzzzzz.
Wake me when the QQ fest is over.
Send Vivika M.
LOL
Tr0 llb0y: you insinuate a connection of me with them
No, I asked you a question about your involvement after you leapt to his “defense” (for no reason).
you cannot even use the correct moniker for me
LOL. Are you serious, Tr0 llb0y? Are you ready to stop tr0llin this blog with your infantile insults and barely comprehensible horsesh*t that you can’t be bothered to explain? Let me know. Let everyone know. Just say it.
And then we’ll give you a week and see if you can make it that long before you go right back to your same old tr0llin ways. Are you up for that, Tr 0ll b0y? Just say so. If you can make it a week, I’ll stop calling you Tr0ll boy. Please please please please say you’ll give it a try, Tr0 llb0y.
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Need I start posting definitions for you again?,
No. You could start reading them yourself, though. Better yet, maybe ask your mommy to read them to you and explain them (after she’s soberered up, of course, and can make it down the basement stairs to your room).
“It’s called an analogy”
And trs is not me,
That’s nice. I’ll let you correct trs, then. Thanks.
Did I mention that mindless QQ into is one of yours?
LOL – yes I realize that that is obvious.
Patent Meds., if one of ordinary skill would not know how to make the Product from the press release in combination with ordinary skill, then I would agree.
But I think you really need an expert opinion on that point — evidence. Otherwise what your say is argument alone. I don’t think that is enough.
Tr0 llb0y: you now think everyone else is a svckie?,
Nope. Nice try, though, Tr0 llb0y! Just keep on tr0llin. It’s what you do, Tr0 llb0y. It’s your specialty.
it was ‘in-house’ that asked the question and was ‘haha’ that did not llike your answer.
I missed that. Here’s my answer to “haha”:
In-house asked a question and in-house got an answer. You don’t like the answer because you believe that it won’t apply to your specific situation as often as you’d like? Gee, that’s too bad. Maybe if you want a different answer you should ask a different question.
Tr0 llb0y: Again you impliedly say I have 1ied.
You have YET to provide a single example of such.
Sure I have, Tr0 llb0y, and so has LB: your assertion that a firm can ethically use its mailroom staff to screen registered letters to attorneys and throw out the ones that refer to prior art that is relevant to a case that the attorney is prosecuting.
That was a pretty big l i e. Also your continued assertion that “i don’t answer questions”. Also your continued assertions that [oldsteps]+[newthought] claims are not per se ineligible (of course they are). Also your continued assertions that I “torched” this “theory” (not a theory) with some “admissions” or the other (that never happened and it’s impossible to understand what the f *ck you are talking about). Also your continued assertions that I “voluntarily admitted” that “configured to” is a structural term, in all contexts (never happened and you’ve been informed of this so why repeat it?). Also your continued assertions that I never addressed your bogus irrelevant “point” that it is possible for a claim to comprise all old steps and still be eligible for patenting (addressed many times). And this is all relatively recent stuff. I won’t even get into the cr *p you wrote when you were posting here for years using dozens of aliases everday and pretending to be railing against a “vocal minority” who you falsely accused of (get ready for it) spreading misinformation about “patent law”, a subject which you insist on knowing more about than anyone else even as you flail miserably about every day when asked to explain what the f – ck you are talking about.
Even this statement about “not providing a single example” is one of your oft-repeated l i e s, because I’ve answered this exact question before. You just say “You’re wrong” and then you go right back to your same old tr 0ll behavior.
As I already noted, Dennis doesn’t enforce this “no l i e” “rule” very well. If he did, you’d be long gone because there never was a more disengenuous t 0 0 l than you, at least not in the world of patent blogs. You’re just a lame blogtr 0ll, dude, and you choose to tr 0ll this blog with your endless insults and mostly incomprehensible innuendo every day because you don’t like the views espoused by the blow owners, nor those of many of the commenters and, for whatever reason, Dennis lets you do it. Over at IP Watchdog, you’ve got Big Gene holding your hand and banning any commenter who dares to take you or him to task for the endless stream of familiar insults directed at anyone who dares cross the “pro-patent” party line without genuflecting before the Altar of His Greatness first.
Tr0 llb0y: LOL -wtmqqdnr
Keep Tr0 llin, Tr0 llb0y! Like I said: it’s what you do. It’s your specialty.
Is the PTO asking that they need not respond to an applicant’s argument that the reference is non-enabling?
No. The PTO is saying it doesn’t need to respond to the mere assertion by the applicant that a reference is non-enabling.
If so, that’s a dangerous precedent.
Well, it’s not what the PTO is saying. And the Federal Circuit at least has upheld the PTO already on this issue and nobody seems to be complaining about it except the folks who always complain when they can’t what they want (= more claims and broader claims, that are obtained faster, and are easier to enforce). And of course the main concern espoused by these folks is that they want “better examination.” Sure they do.
An even more interesting question is whether a patent publication … if it has failed to issue, should be presumed “enabling” … as to another’s claims against which it is cited.
It’s the same question. It’s just an issue of what constitutes a prima facie case of anticipation. Why shouldn’t be enough for an examiner to find a prior art publication where all the elements in the claim are described as set forth in the claim? If the patentee still insists they should be entitled to a patent in that circumstance, gee, it doesn’t seem unreasonable for them to explain why (i.e., show some evidence that the prior art was “not enabled”).
LOL – wtmqqdnr
If a prior inventor can block a later patent without providing an enabling disclosure to the public, then prior invention sweeps away all other statutes and all other case law that had been with us or well more than 100 years.
Again, only the future patent on the composition that was made and reduced to practice and described is blocked. This is not contrary to “other case law”. Those were the findings of fact in the case we are talking about (please correct me I’m wrong).
Also, the patent on a new method of making that composition is still available.
There is no “fundamental flaw” in Fox and it is good law.
I would never issue an opinion that a patent was invalid based upon that case because it is tragically wrong.
Even if the facts were identical to the facts in that case? Gee, Ned, I’m not so sure that’s a good idea.
Again you impliedly say I have 1ied.
You have YET to provide a single example of such.
Sure I have and so has LB: your assertion that a firm can ethically use its mailroom staff to screen registered letters to attorneys and throw out the ones that refer to prior art that is relevant to a case that the attorney is prosecuting.
That was a pretty big l i e. Also your continued assertion that “i don’t answer questions”. Also your continued assertions that [oldsteps]+[newthought] claims are not per se ineligible (of course they are). Also your continued assertions that I “torched” this “theory” (not a theory) with some “admissions” or the other (that never happened and it’s impossible to understand what the f *ck you are talking about). Also your continued assertions that I “voluntarily admitted” that “configured to” is a structural term, in all contexts (never happened and you’ve been informed of this so why repeat it?). Also your continued assertions that I never addressed your bogus irrelevant “point” that it is possible for a claim to comprise all old steps and still be eligible for patenting (addressed many times). And this is all relatively recent stuff. I won’t even get into the cr *p you wrote when you were posting here for years using dozens of aliases everday and pretending to be railing against a “vocal minority” who you falsely accused of (get ready for it) spreading misinformation about “patent law”, a subject which you insist on knowing more about than anyone else even as you flail miserably about every day when asked to explain what the f – ck you are talking about.
Even this statement about “not providing a single example” is one of your oft-repeated l i e s, because I’ve answered this exact question before. You just say “You’re wrong” and then you go right back to your same old tr 0ll behavior.
As I already noted, Dennis doesn’t enforce this “no l i e” “rule” very well. If he did, you’d be long gone because there never was a more disengenuous t 0 0 l than you, at least not in the world of patent blogs. You’re just a lame blogtr 0ll, dude, and you choose to tr 0ll this blog with your endless insults and mostly incomprehensible innuendo every day because you don’t like the views espoused by the blow owners, nor those of many of the commenters and, for whatever reason, Dennis lets you do it. Over at IP Watchdog, you’ve got Big Gene holding your hand and banning any commenter who dares to take you or him to task for the endless stream of insults directed at him or anyone else who dares cross the party line without genuflecting before the Altar of His Greatness first.
Funny that, Malcolm, it was ‘in-house’ that asked the question and was ‘haha’ that did not llike your answer.
Two different posters.
Reading comprehension taking a day off, or maybe like a 1iar always thinks everyone else 1ies, you now think everyone else is a svckie?
LOL – “worst thing evah” (and yet rampant use by Malcolm – the word still for you: hypocrite).
Not figured out what a strawman is?
LOL – Need I start posting definitions for you again?
Like I did before with ‘strawman,’ and ‘dissembling?’
Like your pal Leopold did with’effectively?’
LOL – like that?
(I have one picked out: svckpuppet)
LOL
“It’s called an analogy”
And trs is not me, but hey, feel free to malign anyone who posts negatively of you (that just fits into your rather stale accuse-others-of-that-which-you-do rhetorical t001set. Or maybe reading comprhension isn’t included in your ‘English as a first language’ moments.
LOL
It has been reduced to requiring that the reference doing the “teaching away” pretty much name the specific teaching being taught away and saying “don’t do that” — a fact pattern that RARELY arises.,
You asked a question and you got an answer. You don’t like the answer because you believe that it won’t apply to your specific situation as often as you’d like? Gee, that’s too bad. Maybe if you want a different answer you should ask a different question.
“whom I call out on a daily basis”
LOL – you mean your QQ fest, Malcolm?
As to your questions, you are keen to say that you are not insulting people, but you insinuate a connection of me with them (at the same time you cannot even use the correct moniker for me – talk about childish – but on par with your feeble mental state), and want me to explain how you view that as not an insult. That would take me crawling into your mind. Thanks, I’ll pass.
You still need to change your game Malcolm. Maybe you can phone a Friend (of the Court).
LOL
No one is saying that it is hardly a strawman to discuss them.
What? Looks like Tr0 llb0y is having one of those “English is my second language” moments again.
you are in fact using strawmen.
Sorry, Tr 0llb0y, but I’m not. I still think you haven’t quite figured out what a strawman is. Or, more likely, you pretend not to because it’s a favorite rhetorical t 0 0 l of yours.
On one hand, he talks about a new candy comprising peanuts, gum, and pineapple junks
It’s called an analogy, you s0ci0pathic d*psh*t.
proven themselves to be pro-patent (and correctly so)
More gibberish from the blogtroll.
‘fling pieces of poopy’ at people not even involved in the conversation
Please explain how I “insulted” David Boundy by referring to you “preaching from the tip of Boundy Mountain.”
Assuming it was an “insult” (wasn’t meant to be one), please also explain why it matters to you. Are you involved with him in some capacity or what?
Please also let me know if referring to Gene Quinn as a “patent apologist” is an insult to Gene Quinn.
Please also explain why “denying human nature” and ignoring flaws in a system is such a terrible thing when it comes to the behavior of Examiners and the PTO (whom I call out on a daily basis) but apparently is just fine when it comes to patent applicants and patent owners (whom I call out on a daily basis but whom you seek to defend with religious zeal).
Go ahead, Tr0ll b0y. Surprise everyone.
Do you search out occasions to post your vacuous CRP, Malcolm?
How very sad of you.
LOL
Tr0 llb0y: thanks for the attention
It’s what Tr0 llb0y craves. Obtaining it by any means necessary … that’s his speciality.
I see that simple set theory escapes you, “said in reply.”
With your baby-bear approach, I cannot tell if this is because it is too old or too young for you.
” the fact that money paid by inventors will not be used for that purpose.”
Nice backpeddlin’ there, Winnie. Everyone is already aware, from the beginning, what they were NOT used for. Even the guy you decided to “correct” above with “It is not a guess” knows they were not used for the intended purpose.
Yet another example of the innumerable examples of you belittling another commenter, claiming you know something that they don’t, then backing off and playing coy about providing any info.
Maybe I’m missing something, perhaps because of the subject matter of the claims, but I don’t see what the PTO is asking for to be any different than what the current situation is; i.e. references are presumed enabling for what they teach. Is the PTO asking that they need not respond to an applicant’s argument that the reference is non-enabling? If so, that’s a dangerous precedent.
Additionally, I find the entire concept of prior art enablement to be often misunderstood and misapplied by the PTO. A PATENT should be considered to be enabled for the invention disclosed therein: that which is claimed. Whether it is enabled for anything else set forth therein is irrelevant…a PATENT must enable the CLAIMED invention. Does the presumption necessarily imply that the patent, when cited as a reference against another’s claimed invention should be presumed to enable that later invention? I don’t see how that would follow unless the later filed claims were identical to the patented claims.
“While reference to the patent application is appropriate for purposes of determining what the claimed invention is, i.e., what falls within the scope of the claims, the anticipation exercise must assess the enabling nature of a prior art reference in light of the proposed claims. In re Steve Morsa, slip opinion 2012-1609 at 10 (Fed. Cir. 2013).”
As to whether a scientific journal disclosure (or otherwise) should be presumed to be legally enabling against patent claims, again I don’t think that the general rule that a patent is considered to be enabled has any applicability to such a non-patent disclosure.
An even more interesting question is whether a patent publication, as yet to issue, or especially if it has failed to issue, should be presumed “enabling”, either as to its own unpatented claims or as to another’s claims against which it is cited.
I’m dealing with a 102/103 rejection based upon a competitor’s press release that they were planning to built a factory to produce Product. They never built the factory. I think I’ve got a pretty good argument that the reference is not enabled.
MM, think.
First to invent provides that the patent goes to the first inventor. This implies that both are seeking a patent. If one is not seeking a patent, then the normal rules of prior art "should" apply. In other words do ordinary rules require that enabling disclosure be available to the public.
If a prior inventor can block a later patent without providing an enabling disclosure to the public, then prior invention sweeps away all other statutes and all other case law that had been with us or well more than 100 years.
The panel decision in that case was fundamentally flawed. It is not, and cannot be good law. I would never issue an opinion that a patent was invalid based upon that case because it is tragically wrong.
you provide evidence that the combination of at least one of the elements with another element was ‘taught away’ from in the prior art
Taught away? Taught away? When was the last time you practiced? 1975? Teaching away is about the weakest of all arguments non-obviousness arguments. It has been reduced to requiring that the reference doing the “teaching away” pretty much name the specific teaching being taught away and saying “don’t do that” — a fact pattern that RARELY arises.
Nice attempt at dissembling, Malcolm.
It is sad that he thinks he is actually presenting a real argument.
On one hand, he talks about a new candy comprising peanuts, gum, and pineapple junks, and on the other hand, he says that he is talking about the patents of Finjan and Altor.
I change my mind, you actually have to work hard to present such feeble arguments.
…and let’s see those talleys
(oh wait, this is Malcolm, and he just does not have the nuts to face the truth)
“That theory has been tested, Tr0 llb0y. You failed miserably.”
It’s opposite day for Malcolm.
And yes, showing proper respect for past presidents and NOT using them as fodder for bizarre sexxul jokes is very much equivalent to my so-called “s0ci0pathic” behavior (especially in regards to just whose opinion that is being based).
As they say, svcks to be you.
Tr0 llb0y: You stop your CRP and you won’t have to see me rubbing your nose in it.
That theory has been tested, Tr0 llb0y. You failed miserably.
Tally up the insults to dead presidents,
The fact that you find “insulting a dead president” remotely equivalent to the s0ci0pathic behavior you exhibit here on a daily basis just goes to show how f—-cked in the head you are.
I think that you are both unoriginal and plainly wrong.
But thanks for the attention (I think).
My case rests on the fact that money paid by inventors will not be used for that purpose.
You are trying WAY too hard to shoot arrows at me.
“pointless and unconnected to any of the conversation or legal points.”
LOL, thanks, I really needed the laugh. That is an apt description for approximately 89% of your posts. (Being generous, perhaps.)
IOW, Winnie, you claim to know what the money generated from the increased fees was used for, yet you can’t say what it was used for.
What, like will the CIA come a-knockin’ on your door if you divulge this state secret to us mere humans?
Or, could it be that you’ve overstated your case, as per usual?
Tally up the unearned insults Malcolm.
If you have the nuts.
Tally up the insults to people that do not even post her,
Tally up the insults to first time posters recovering from cancer,
Tally up the insults to grieving sons of recently departed fathers,
Tally up the insults to dead presidents,
Tally up the insulting posts wherein misrepresentations of fact, law or what others have said or willfully, even gleefully made – even after key admissions as to certain controlling law or claim constructions have been made.
Talley up the words avoiding answers in the Myriad case.
Tally up the posts by you that do not include insults or prevarications or spin of fact, law or what others have posted, or any of these other flaws.
You will not (and cannot) find more than a small handful (and far under 2% to be sure.
I have said all along Malcolm, the ability to improve the blogging quality is in your hands. You stop your CRP and you won’t have to see me rubbing your nose in it. The insults I give you – you have fully earned. I have told you the easy way to stop that.
Again you impliedly say I have 1ied.
You have YET to provide a single example of such.
You are going to pieces, Malcolm – quite. literally.
Get into a line of work you can believe in. Patent law is not working for you.
As nearly half of applicants these days are foreigners, the line quite well fits Malcolm.
Try to think beyond the red cape of ‘anon said.”
Well, CRP, just try to think.
Insult? As my post is accurate, any perceived insult is fully earned.
Why not just post something you believe is “accurate” and explain why you believe it’s accurate without the personal insult? Exactly like I did in my 3:12 comment, to which you responded with a personal insult.
Oh, right, I forgot: you can’t help yourself because you’re a s0ci0path blogtr0ll who is incapable of very little except insulting people. That’s your speciality, Tr0 llb0y. It’s what you do here, every day.
Prof. Crouch explicitly said that 1ies are not allowed
We all know that can’t be the case, Tr0 llb0y. After all, you’re still here and there never was a bigger purveyor of psychotic self-serving horsesh*t in the patent blogosphere.
money is still taken out of the patent system for the purposes of general government (e.g. taxes) to NOT be a very funny ‘joke.’
That wasn’t the “joke” part. The “joke” is that it’s “taxation without representation”. Evidently Mama Tea Party vomited that line into your baby bird mouth and you couldn’t resist sharing it with us all.
And speaking of being ‘busted,’ how about you and your svckies? You outright blatantly 1ie about on Dr. Noonan’s blog, but here where the same question is put to you (with the reminder that Prof. Crouch explicitly said that 1ies are not allowed, you first dodge the question, then you appear to (tentatively) take ownership, but in the end, merely try to kick up some pretty dust.
All this has done is highlight your very own dissembling and hypocrisy.
Still have ‘no ideas,’ Malcolm?
Well, you can try your usual [shrug] and stand by routine.
Like just as your comments often have nothing to do with the conversations you reply to (see below on this very thread), Malcolm? Like that?
LOL – except for the fact that my comment DOES apply to a conversation – one you started. Sure, it may not deal with the thread itself, but my comments do deal with your ‘spin’ and misrepresentations.
Poor baby, your liddle soapbox gets kicked out from under you again, you fall down and go boom and now want a pretty bandaid for your scraped knees.
And yes, what I do IS a kindness to everyone. Just like the kindness of highlighting your hypocrisy regarding svckies (the worst thing evah) and you anti-patent agenda and your tendencies to throw your ‘theories’ onto bonfires when you venture into substantive discussions. Tell me, Malcolm how such substantive things as the controlling law regarding the exceptions to the printed matter doctrine, ‘configured to’ being structural language, and the controlling law regarding the fact that eligible claims can have elements that are mental steps (as opposed to claims being completely mental steps – one of your strawmen).
What? What? I cannot here you on substantive matters?
Then (if you have yet found the nuts), tell us about the Myriad case and that I was right and WHY I was right.
What? What? I cannot here you on substantive matters?
LOL – C’mon Malcolm, try to NOT play the f001 yet again.
“he won’t tell us”
Except for one thing Malcolm, I did tell you.
Try again.
Most everyone I know that is serious about patents finds the fact that money is still taken out of the patent system for the purposes of general government (e.g. taxes) to NOT be a very funny ‘joke.’
But please Malcolm, please feel free to try to spin this into some type of positive thing for anyone that pays their fees to the patent office and then sees that money be taken from the Office.
LOL – having your list of svckies paraded around showing you to be the ultimate hypocrite really is affecting you badly, isn’t it?
As they say, svcks to be you.
LOL – I don’t need to name any. Oh wait, this is Malcolm, the guy who denies reality and thinks that Kappos did not state (or need to state): “Quality does not equal reject” and the same guy who cannot abide by the FACT that the historical grant rate dropped inexplicably from around 70% to a near 30% at the exact same time of that Office Reject-Reject-Reject era, or that the RCE reward system was explicitly changed to defuse the gravy train.
Nice tinfoil hat Malcolm. You sure know how to pick a ‘winner.’ Maybe next time try to ‘spin’ facts that might do more than make you look like an @$$ (if possible).
“Boundy Mountain”
LOL – feel free to, how do you put it? ‘fling pieces of poopy’ at people not even involved in the conversation, but have proven themselves to be pro-patent (and correctly so).
You cannot but help prove that you (once again) do that accuse-others-of-what-you-do rhetorical tactic.
It does not work for you. I suggest you change your game.
“so it’s hardly a “strawman” to discuss them”
No one is saying that it is hardly a strawman to discuss them.
But that is neither here nor there as you are in fact using strawmen.
Nice attempt at dissembling, Malcolm.
Ever your classy misrepresentation Malcolm.
@ta boy.
You have not yet found the nuts to actually own up to your svckies at PatentDocs, Malcolm.
LOL – we both know why.
The wod for you STILL: hypocrite.
Smear? There is no smear as my post is accurate.
Insult? As my post is accurate, any perceived insult is fully earned.
Vacuous? Yes, your reply is your typical nonsensical and vacuous reply.
Don’t like it? It’s in your hands to do better. I suggest you try again.
The Shape of Things to Come: What We Can Learn From Patent …
(osenga patents e-word)
Prior art is accounted to novelty…in all implacement(s)
(concounted diction)
link to merriam-webster.com
Tr0 llb0y: Your reply is that you supplied an answer. My reply to that was to put my finger in my bunghole and fling pieces of poopy at you.
Fixed for accuracy.
Tr0 llb0y: Another vacuous post
Smear. Insult. Wait for response. Characterize response as “vacuous.” Rinse, recycle, repeat.
Tr0 llb0y does what he does. That’s Tr0 llb0y’s speciality.
He knows the “actual point” of every case and every blog post and every comment. And when Tr0 llb0y tells you that you missed the “actual point” you’re supposed to thank Tr0 llb0y. Because he’s such a nice thougtful blogtr0ll, after you ignore the endless stream of personal —hole insults that he launches at you for no reason except that he’s identified you as someone with an “anti-patent agenda.”
The weird thing is that he and Gene Quinn seem to wear the same cologne. I wonder what’s up with that.
a troubled obsession
This from the professional blogtr0ll who (1) keeps a list of names that he believes that I use at other blogs; and (2) spent years here posting endless streams of insults and little else at other commenters here, dozens of times a day using dozens of pseudonyms, while claiming to be responding to a “vocal minority” … until he was busted. Now he just does the same exact thing under one pseudonym.
You’re a funny little guy, Tr0 llb0y. Keep it up. We’ll all look back someday and remember fondly your thoughtful, reasoned (and always deserved and pin-point accurate) comments on so many different subjects … the “imputing”, the “projection”, the “strawman”, the “squinting”, the “Examiner bias”, the “arrows at your feet”, the “calvinball spikes”, the “pools of blood”, the “toasty marshmallows”, the “no intelligence there”, the “right back at you”, the “actual point”, the “missing the point [that is never explained”, the “obvious anti-patent agenda”, and (who could ever forget?) the “spam filter”. Rinsed, recycled and repeated.
Unfortunately, we don’t have the luxury of merely remembering you now, Tr0 llb0y. But someday … ah, we can only dream.
If my claim has 5 elements, and the Examiner uses five different pieces of prior art to meet those element and concludes that it would be obvious to combine them (an implied – its enabled), as a poster pointed out above, how am I to prove that the combination is not enabled?
The same way that you can always rebut a prima facie case of obviousness (assuming that a prima facie case has been made): you provide evidence that the combination of at least one of the elements with another element was ‘taught away’ from in the prior art, i.e., skilled artisans as of your critical date did not believe that your claimed combination was possible to achieve. Or you can attack the prima facie case itself. The details will change depending on the claim (composition and method claims are certainly quite different in this regard, as the courts have recognized).
[Klingon] “What the increased fees were used for is anybody’s guess.”
[anon] “It is not a guess.”
Huh. Tr0 llb0y says “it’s not a guess” what they fees were used for. But he won’t tell us what they were used for, although he apparently knows.
What were they used for, Tr0 llb0y? Why the sudden silence on this topic you seemed to have so much to say about just a moment before.
Kinda reminds me of your “mailroom” strategy for avoiding prior art. Remember when you brought that up to show everyone how cool you were and how “unethical” everybody else was? And then you got reaaaaaalll quiet about it. Pretty funny stuff.
Tr 0llb0y: my post has nothing at all to do with Antor.
Right, because you just wanted to hurl an insulting comment quickly so you could get to work posting other insults in other comments. That’s your specialty.
It was silly to believe that your comment had anything to do with the topic or cases being discussed here. That’s a very occurance indeed. Thanks for the reminder, Tr0 llb0y! You did everyone a kindness, probably without realizing it.
Your reply is that you supplied an answer. My reply to that was (of course) accurate.
There was no intelligence in your post at 2:47.
Your follow up post employs your (rather stale) accuse-others-of-that-which-you-do.
Can you try something else? This is not working for you.
this is a general tax levied on innovators only and innovators are in essence paying taxes ‘without representation’ – something that our government in particular should be cognizant of.
This is a joke, right?